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 INTERVIEW FRAGEN:
-- Wie sind sie/bist du zu der Middendorf/ Rosen Methode gekommen?
+.3.21, nach Gespräch heute vormittag:
+. Persönlich-Allgemein / Personal-Generall:
+Wie sind sie/bist du zu der Middendorf/ Rosen Methode gekommen? Was veranlasst dich/ treibt dich an, dabei zu bleiben?
+Was bedeutet für dich zu Atmen?\\
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+__How did you come to the Rosen Method? What does motivate you to stay with it?
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+.Ausbildung /Education:
+Was hat sich während der Ausbildung für dich am meisten an deiner Wahrnehmung von Atem bewegt/verändert. / Gab es ein AHA- Erlebnis?
+Was heißt es vom Atem zu lernen?\\
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+__What was a moment of revelation for you when you did the Rosen-education? What does it mean to "learn from breathing", "to learn with breathing?"__\\
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+. Praxis mit einem Körper/practice with a body:\\
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+Mit welchen Sinnen näherst du dich einem Körper in der Praxis?\\
+__With which senses to you approach a body?\\__
+Folgst du einem Prinzip?\\  __Do you follow a certain principle?__\\
+Gibt es Rituale oder Reihenfolgen?\\ __Are there rituals and patterns in approaching the body of a client?__
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+Marion Rosen hat einmal gesagt, dass sie im Laufe ihrer Arbeit, die Entscheidung, wo am Körper sie beginnen würde zu arbeiten, ihren Händen überlassen hat. Als hätten diese ein eigenes Wissen.\\
+Wir interessieren uns in der künstlerischen Forschung dafür, welche Wege der Wissensproduktion und Begegnung es neben rationalen Herangehensweisen gibt. Kannst du uns davon erzählen, was für dich das Wissen in Relation mit der Methode xy..ausmacht?\\
+__Marion Rosen said once that it is up to her hands to decide where she would start the work, the treatment. As if the hands had a knowledge of their own. In our artistic research project, we are interested how knowledge emerges next to rational approaches of knowing. Can you share with us, what kind of particular knowledge is produced through the hands?__
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+Wie findest und empfindest du Spannungen im Körper deiner KlientInenn? Emotionen, die sich im Körper festsetzen. - Das Body/Mind Problem\\
+__How do you sense and find tensions in the body of your clients? Emotions that are incrusted in the body.\\
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+Ist da nicht ein gewisser Widerspruch , wenn Rosen sagt, dass man den Atem kommen lassen soll und es gleichzeitig explizit um das Zulassen des Atems geht? oder ist das einfach ein Paradox, das zwar auf sprachlicher Ebene stattfindet aber nicht auf einer Ebene der Erfahrung? Wie siehst du das?
+__I stumbled upon a passage in the book about the rosen method. Marion Rosen wrote that you can tell by the expression on their client´s face how old this person was when something happened to them that are decisive for their current tension and pain. This sounds very miraculous and exciting, could you tell us a bit about your experience?__\\
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+__The importance of language and speaking during the session- what I find particular about the Rosen method as a body practice/ therapy is that it includes speaking.What kind of language does this speaking require and produce?__
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+. Philosophische Fragen/philosophical questions:
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+Expansion: mit Martial haben wir über die expansion des Körpers gesprochen und dass der Körper sowie alle Organismen sich in einer stetigen Expansion befinden - der Atem ist ja auch ein Phänomen, das sich auf den ganzen Körper ausdehnen kann. Wenn wir davon sprechen, in den unteren Rücken zu atmen oder in die Beine zu Atmen, dann geht es ja nicht darum, dass wirklich die Luft in diesen Raum vordringt, sondern hat eben auch etwas mit dieser Ausdehnung zu tun..kannst du dazu was sagen?\\
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+__We like to think about the expansion of the body and imagine that the body is constantly expanding. The skin is not the border of the body. Breathing is also a phenomenon that can stretch out over the entire body. When we say that we are 'breathing into our back' or into the legs, the air does not literally move there. Or? How do you think that?__\\
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+. Corona und Atem / Corona and breathing
+Welche Gedanken kommen dir, wenn du an das letzte Jahr der Pandemie denkst?
+Hat sich etwas darüber, wie du über Atem denkst und fühlst verändert?\\
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+__What thoughts come to your mind if you think of the last year of the pandemic?
+Has something changed in the way you sense and think breathing?
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+.Wie sind sie/bist du zu der Middendorf/ Rosen Methode gekommen? Was veranlasst dich/ treibt dich an, dabei zu bleiben?
+. Ist da nicht ein gewisser Widerspruch , wenn Middendorf sagt, dass man den Atem kommen lassen //soll// und es gleichzeitig explizit um das Zulassen des Atems geht? oder ist das einfach ein Paradox, das zwar auf sprachlicher Ebene stattfindet aber nicht auf einer Ebene der Erfahrung? Wie siehst du das?
+. We would like to start with a quote of a French philosopher (Gilles Deleuze) "What a body can do, meaning that we do not even know what a body is capable of and “We do not even know of what affections we are capable, nor the extent of our power.”. How do you bring such a consideration of the body closer to the matter of breathing? What can, in your view, breathing do?
+. How is this doing recognized? (on a physical-somatic level, but also on an institutional level)
+. In Rosen therapy there is quite some consideration to childhood and early on experiences. I , at times, struggle with that, because I gain a sense of not being 'free' to deviate from earlier experiences.  Can you speak a bit about the relation between earlier made experiences and the NOW - what is the relation between past, present and future in the Rosen-work?
+-to work with breath - to breathe is also to make the dimensionality of oneself more sensible..for me at times it also an experience of crossing tresholds
+__What a body can do__:\\
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+co-breathing - als Sterbebegleitung..\\
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+Rhythmus und Synchronizität\\
+Welche verbindene Kraft hat Atem\\
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 - Ilse Middendorf sprach davon, dass man den Atem kommen lassen "muss", dass sich der Atem dem Willen entzieht. Für mich ist es in den Sitzungen immer wieder eine Herausforderung den Atem "von allein" kommen zu lassen ohne bewusstes Zutun/Einlenken von mir selbst. Wenn ich spüre, dass der Atem von alleine kommt, fast schon autonom geworden ist, ist es jedes mal ein Wunder. Worauf ich hinaus will: wie kann ich den Atem als etwas eigenes/ unabhängiges bemerken und denken gleichzeitig wissen, dass er nie unabhängig von mir selbst existieren kann (würde ich so denken- Erstickungstod?)
-- There is this famous saying by French philosopher Gilles Deleuze "What a body can do, meaning that we do not even know what a body is capable of and “We do not even know of what affections we are capable, nor the extent of our power.” And I like to extend this thought also on breath(ing). It is something that we as humans do automatically all the time often unnoticed, yet there seems to be a great potential in the different ways we engage in/with breathing. In the perceptible breath work i.e. by Ilse Middendorf there is the idea of not only "doing" it (the breathing), but also "letting it happen". For me thisidea goes a bit in the direction of Deleuze quote: that we are not even aware of what breathing is capable of and also that each body or person or entity has their own breathing and we have to learn to attend to it. Could you say a bit from your perspective: What can breath(ing) do?
+- There is this famous saying by French philosopher Gilles Deleuze "What a body can do, meaning that we do not even know what a body is capable of and “We do not even know of what affections we are capable, nor the extent of our power.” And I like to extend this thought also on breath(ing). It is something that we as humans do automatically all the time often unnoticed, yet there seems to be a great potential in the different ways we engage in/with breathing. In the perceptible breath work i.e. by Ilse Middendorf there is the idea of not only "doing" it (the breathing), but also "letting it happen". For me this idea goes a bit in the direction of Deleuze quote: that we are not even aware of what breathing is capable of and also that each body or person or entity has their own breathing and we have to learn to attend to it. Could you say a bit from your perspective: What can breath(ing) do?
+Jana, 1.3.21
+extending from miriam s question in regards o deleuze (what can breath(ing) do?) i am curious to ask "how come one knows that one is breathing?" - so, i am interesting in the epistemology of breathing. what kind of knowing does breathing produce and how do we recognize this?
+which brings me to anotehr question/curiosity:
+i have the feeling that there is more literature about rosen method than about middendorf. I wonder whether is partially because rosen method is a body or body-psyche-work that is taught truly internationally. there are kind of "rosen-headquarters" in many countries. Maybe that in return has something to do with rosen having left germany; she was forced to leave germany; living in the end in the us. middendorf always stayed in germany. (something is also curious how middendorf experienced Nazi-Germany; she is born in 1910 so she was a young woman when Hitler came to power; marion rosen is born 1914 and she had to flee).
+back to my initial interest of a question:
+taking off from the epistemic concern of the bodywork of both middendorf and rosen, i realize that i find it much easier to ask questions on rosen-work because i have a sense (i might be wrong) that there is more literature that speak explicitely about trauma etc. rosen bodywork covers more other fields. but maybe this is just because people wrote more about it.
+i ask myself then how to identify knowledge that is not verbalised?
+This sounds like a banal question: I am aware about the dicourse on tacit knoweldge etc. but maybe it is less the question of how in artistic research things have been labeled already, but i am inetrested how you as practitioners speak how this knowledge that is pre-verbal emerges; how do you identify it.
+i am also interested in speaking about trauma and childhood. In rosen there is much talk about how early childhood is very relevant to how one later, when being an adult has trouble with tensions. I can´t stop feeling attracted and repulsed by this idea about direct link to childhood. One side in me says: yes! sure. I totally see that. I see it in myself as I see it in others, but one part in me is also scared of this type that everything comes from early early on. can we talk about that?
-- Letztes mal mit Martial: haben wir über Body expansion gesprochen und dass der Körper sowie alle Organismen sich in einer stetigen Expansion befinden - der Atem dehnt sich auch aus auf den ganzen Körper.....